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Post subject: FAQ: Test Pressings.  PostPosted: Dec 02, 2004 - 11:39 AM
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Hey Everybody, got what may be a stupid question. I feel comfortable that I know what Test Pressings are (if anyone wants to enhance my knowledge though please, enhance away) but I don't understand why they don't appear to be that sought after by collectors. I'm referring to TPs for decent bands that I see on eBay. In rare cases they go for hundreds of dollars but usually I don't see them garnering a lot of money. Often, they don't get any bids at all. It's my understanding that usually, only 5 to 50 copies of a TP are made. With such a limited run I would think they would be highly prized. Is there something about them that makes them "uncollectible"? Thanks and Merry Xmas!
 
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I think it depends on a few variables. I have a few test pressings and while I paid slighter more than I would have for a regular or first pressing it wasn't that much more.

First off the artist, if the artist isn't all that collectable to begin with the test pressing isn't going to go as high. There are some flat out maniacal collectors out there (myself included) who simply must have every known pressing by a particular artist.

I think the company it was pressed for or by has some bearing also. I've seen Mobile Fidelity test pressings sell for large amounts. Especially those that never made it to distribution.

I think the record itself would also be important. Even when by the same artist some records are more collectable than others.

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Post subject: Re: Test Pressings.  PostPosted: Dec 02, 2004 - 10:36 PM
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enoch wrote:
With such a limited run I would think they would be highly prized. Is there something about them that makes them "uncollectible"?

enoch - I concur with Scot, that collectibility of test pressings corresponds with collectibility of the artist. Condition is a factor also -- most TPs I've seen (granted, they're thrift shop finds) aren't in the finest condition. Very few have the usual trappings of retail copies, like cover artwork, inclusions, etc. There may also be a perception by potential buyers that blank (aside from the plant's logo) white or hand-written labels are a sign that the disk is perhaps not genuine.

As I've mentioned in another thread, I have a Monarch Records TP (for A&M) of The Flying Burrito Brothers' The Gilded Palace of Sin -- (see the label scan). The white labels are blank except for a hand-written notation, "Flying Benittos", in blue biro ink on one of side -- not the kind of thing that inspires confidence, especially for those with little or no experience with TPs. I very nearly passed on this, but eventually decided to risk the 75c price. Wink Would you pay $50 or more for it based on the scan and my description?

I find TPs useful mainly for identifying a particular plant's pressings. Sometimes (not often enough!), the labels will indicate pressing dates and production codes.



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Annaloog or anyone. Maybe you could help me with this. I have a test pressing which I suppose might be Patti Page (says so in pen on white generic sleeve like a 12" with label showing through). I really don't know because I would not recognize her even if it was since I never listened to her much. But this LP is on Plantation Records. White label, Plantation at top. There's a place for date to left of spindle hole and Master Number to the right. They are blank. Below spindle hole is words Test Pressing and a place for record number but of course.. ITS NOT THERE! Sad . So, I suppose I need to find a Patti Page fan to help. But was she ever on Plantation? I wonder if I played it and tried to figure out song titles if anyone would recognize what I had?
 
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Just remembered I also have a Test Press by Gary Brooker (ex-Procol Harum) but can't seem to part with it even though it's not all that good because it was pressed on my birthday. Laughing
 
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There may also be a perception by potential buyers that blank (aside from the plant's logo) white or hand-written labels are a sign that the disk is perhaps not genuine.

Yup, I have passed on more than a few TPs (actually, all) just because they look somewhat "unprofessional". I don't want to get stuck with a dud.
I think the problem is, most people can't say for for sure, what the history of the disc is.
Which may be why they don't seem to be sought after??

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Would more "high end" or TPs be traded/sold more privately than online?

wmc64123 - here's a small link on Patti Page. Says she was on Plantation.
http://www.outside.on.ca/aug04/page.html
 
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Thanks Slonoman, I guess I'm so tired I just didn't feel like doing a Search anywhere. The truth is, I just have to figure out if it is her and if so, what record it might be. Another project.. Rolling Eyes
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 03, 2004 - 03:08 AM






So you all seem to agree that the issue isn't with TPs themselves but with condition and authenticating the artist allegedly represented on the TP. Interesting. Does that mean that collectors that have relationships with other collectors (who they trust) are paying to each other the big money I think TPs merit?
 
   
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I think the best way to identify test pressings is not only from the label, but mostly from the inscrptions on the dead wax area. They should be the same as the regular record. So it's easier this way to figure out what the record is by doing a google search on them.

To determine if a TP is fake or not, you can do some research on the different versions of the labels of a pressing plant for a specific period. I have seen fake test pressings dated 1985 with a label version from 1990. Also if the inscriptions on the dead wax is different than the regular record, it also can indicate a fake (but could also be a pressing from a different country).

I've been collecting the band 'The Sisters of Mercy' and it's very interesting to find the Test Pressing and the regular pressing... I feel it's like going back in time and observing the process of making the record. Unfortunately, the TP from The Sisters are not cheap Crying or Very sad Most of them range from $200 to $1000

I have a lot of info/versions of label for Specialty Test Pressings (USA) and Mayking (France). If you have one of these and are curious, let me know, I'd be glad to help.
 
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Mayking Records was a UK plant that specialised in coloured vinyl and picture discs. The big independent plant in France was and still is MPO.

I'm surpised that TPs are not sought after. If anything, you may find that the TP and actual released album may differ in mix, cutting level/EQ, or possibly even (but rarely) a different track.
 
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