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Post subject: The Official Reproduction/Counterfeit 45 RPM Label Thread  PostPosted: Feb 25, 2005 - 04:12 PM
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Hello all,

After seeing some really disturbing auctions and private sales this week that dealt with sellers trying to pawn off rare Reproduction/Counterfeit 45rpm disc's as original, I have decided to start this "sticky" thread where we can compile, study, and share our knowledge about counterfeits from any 45 label.

I believe that this would be of great service to all level of collectors, Novices to Pro's.

Hopefully we can cover a litany of labels, and try to create a database for users to:

~Spot a fake a label
~Tell tale signs
~Where and when certain counterfeits were produced
~Was the label in question ever released on color vinyl? Or as a promo?
~Add a pictorial "discography" of known fakes


I hope this generates some interest, as with any hobby, being knowledgeable and studying the rare pieces will only help protect your investment when the time comes to pick up that long desired rare piece for your collection, and not have to mull over it's authenticity.


Please feel free to add to this thread.




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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 25, 2005 - 04:21 PM
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Ok lets start with this SPECIALTY label issue.

Note the poorly done thin yellow line through the black middle. This should wider, and clean.

Also note the word "SPECIALTY" on the label in black. It is all wrong, to close together, and the letters are sloppy.



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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 25, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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Ok here is a SUN label Re-pro.

Note the Sun Rays emanating from the center hole, they should be more brown in the filling. Also, the color of the yellow in the label is much to bright, and should be more of a matte mustard yellow. Although not always a sign of a fake SUN, look at the MEMPHIS TENNESSEE at the bottom, note the large gap from there to the dead wax, so common among re-pros to way off center like this.



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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 26, 2005 - 07:32 PM
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This thread, I'm a-gonna be watchin' like a hawk!!

I really appreciate your expertise, LPMAN! This is an area that has concerned me for years, and not one person has ever been able to give me a straight answer to the fake/real questions that I have had.

I'm looking forward to your post on the Federal label (hint, hint).

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 26, 2005 - 10:57 PM
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Ah the Federal label, one of my fav's.

I will work on that next.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 27, 2005 - 07:20 AM
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Ok here is an example of a FEDERAL label fake. And some tips on how to spot one.

Note in the picture entitled "FAKE" the color of the label. It is an almost "emerald" green, this is no good, it should be a more deep and rich green, like in the photo entitled "REAL".

Also note the spacing of the two silver horizontal lines on the label, the "FAKE" has a wider spacing. And, the color of silver ink the lines and the word "FEDERAL" is much to metallic silver, it should be a matte silver.

Now, for me the most common way to spot a fake FEDERAL label is the tell tale positioning of the word FEDERAL. Note how low "F" and the "L" sit from the edge of the label compared to the "REAL" picture. Just about all FEDERAL fakes have this miss-positioning.



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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 27, 2005 - 08:39 AM
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So it looks like I own a counterfeit.



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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 27, 2005 - 08:54 AM
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Specialty re-issued their catalog using the same numbers throughout the 70s. Beret Hanson (aka Dr. Demento) worked from the mid 60s till 1970 for Specialty.
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 27, 2005 - 08:59 AM
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By the way, Richard Minor of Florida was one of the best counterfitters. He would press a few hundred and sell the best pressings as the real thing. When he died an plethora of "rare" 45s surfaced. Most are R&B, Do-Wop. Most sound better than the originals.
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 27, 2005 - 02:24 PM
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Scott,

Yours may be a label variation. I would dismiss your record as re-pro straight away if were not for the "lowered" middle ring on the label.
 
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