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Post subject: My Grading System Attempt  PostPosted: Oct 01, 2005 - 02:37 PM
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How's this?

Records must be graded in bright sunshine or under a bright light. An overhead light will not do.

10 MINT Absolutely perfect in every way. No flaws at all. Not one. Nobody has even looked at this record funny. Could be worth 100% or more of the book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

9 NEAR MINT Record and/or labels has only a total of 1 or 2 slight small scuffs or marks (including fingerprints). No scratches! Vinyl and label are shiny new all over. This record is only a mark or two away from perfect.
Cover is glossy new. There may be an ever-so-slight indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is not affected. Or, there may be 1 or 2 small marks or indentations, but the finish of the cover is not affected. No splits and no indication that a split is starting. No writing or stickers, no cut corners or holes. Could be worth 90 – 100% of the book value, but take market factors into consideration.

8 NEAR MINT MINUS Record and/or label have a total of 3 or 4 slight small scuffs or marks. No scratches! Vinyl and labels are shiny new all over. No other flaws.
Cover is glossy new. There is an ever-so-slight indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is still unaffected. There is a very slight indication that the record has been removed at the corners of the opening but they have not affected the finish of the cover. Alternately (not in addition to), there is 1 mark on the cover--a flaw, or an indentation but it has not removed the finish from the cover. No writing or stickers, no cut corners or holes. Could be worth 75 – 90% of the book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

7 VERY GOOD PLUS Record and/or labels have 5 to 8 (total) slight small scuffs and marks. Label may have a spindle trail or two. Or the record may have 1-2 small scratches, but they are not deep. Vinyl and label are still shiny, but may have lost just a bit of their luster.
Cover is glossy. There is some indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is still unaffected. There are 1 or 2 corner dings but they have not affected the finish of the cover. Seams are intact. There may also be 1 or 2 flaws or indentations elsewhere on the cover, but again, the finish is unmarred. There is no writing or stickers. If the back of the cover is white and glued on (as so many pre-1970s covers are) it has not become discolored. There may be a cut corner or hole punched out but to remain in this condition, that must be in combination only with 1 or 2 of the above flaws. A combination of all will reduce it to the next level. Could be worth 40-60% of book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

6 VERY GOOD Record has a number of scuffs and several scratches, but the record will still play through without skipping--that is, the scratches are not deep. Vinyl still has some shine but a close look at the grooves shows they are wearing, or turning a dull grayish color. Labels show a number of spindle trails and have begun to wear or discolor although every detail is still fully readable. There may be writing or a sticker on the label, but it does not obscure the printing or artwork.
Cover shows ring wear, but it has barely begun to affect the finish of the cover. There are corner dings and the seams may have begun to split, but not more than ½ inch. There may be writing or a sticker but it has not seriously obscured the art or printing. White backs have yellowed or browned slightly. Could be worth 20-30% of book value, but thousands of records in this condition regularly sell for a dollar or less.

5 VERY GOOD MINUS Record has many scuffs and scratches, but they are still not deep. There may be very little shine left and a good bit of gray. Labels have lots of spindle trails and maybe writing or stickers but information is still mostly readable.
Cover has ring wear but most of the finish is still intact. There are dings and indentations, as well as 1 or 2 seam splits extending up to a total of 2 inches. Stickers or writing still do not overwhelm the cover. White backs are half discolored, half white. Could be worth 5-15% of book value, but thousands of records in this condition regularly sell for a dollar or less.

4 GOOD PLUS Just not quite as bad as good.

3 GOOD There is no gloss to the record and/or it is covered with scuffs and scratches, but it still plays through. Labels are worn or discolored, and may have up to a million spindle trails.
Covers have ring wear, have lost their shine, are dinged up, split, and written on, but are in one piece and nearly fully readable. Worth 25 cents to a dollar unless the record is ultra-rare.


2 FAIR Record looks like it was used for chickens to sharpen their claws. Labels may be unreadable.
Cover is tattered or worn out and may not even be in one piece. Worthless except in extreme cases, and then only a buck or two.

1 POOR Sad and pitiful. Record won’t play and cover is destroyed. Worthless.

Records that appear VG to NM but have a major flaw like a big deep scratch on one side or a water-damaged cover must be graded down to the lowest standard for that flaw. Examples: For the big scratch, you’ll have to play it or note it. If it plays through but pops continuously, generally equal to the volume of the music, it grades Good. If it causes the needle to skip over that spot, it grades Poor, even if the rest of the record is shiny new. If the water damage on the cover causes discoloration of the finish, it grades Good to Very Good, depending on the severity. If the damage makes the paper flake off the cover so part of the artwork is lost or the printing is unreadable, it grades Fair.

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Shocked

I think I know, but what is a spindle trail?

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The grooves marked on the label from sliding the record around on the turntable spindle looking for the hole.
Were you right?

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i read through, sounds pretty good! Couple things i have in mind maybe worth to express somehow ...

stickers ... i know what you mean in grading, but in some record, sticker belongs to original pressing, right? hmmm, when it´s a sticker that "belongs" to album, that would not grade down, hmm, see what i mean? Don´t know how to put that correctly ...

another thing ... if and when the record has inserts, like poster, photos, lyric sheet etc, ain´t that also a factor to grade? At least when talk about book value ... album should have all the inserts within ... for example Pink Floyd´s DSOTM ... how would you grade when ...

all inserts are included
one poster is missing
all inserts missing

in case record itself is NM/NM- ...

just quick thoughts ...
 
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I agree with this any other items that are with the record should be graded too. posters,stickers,inserts,etc. I sold a few records like this on ebay.
 
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Good points--thanks!
I will go back and modify the sticker part.
I will address extras as part of the pricing process in a statement, which is pretty well done in the existing guides. I would not include it in the strict grading of record and cover.

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you´re welcome, glad to help! Very Happy
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Oct 03, 2005 - 02:49 PM
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Jack,

I think the following line needs more detail:

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5 VERY GOOD MINUS Record has many scuffs and scratches, but they are still not deep.


Still not to deep as in not causing pops, clicks, skips? How deep is not to deep?




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Yeah, I hesitated over that--I don't want to tell people "not deep enough to feel with a fingernail" because that encourages people to handle the record and create more smudges and scuffs. But since we're visually grading, I need some directive. Maybe I'll need to note as I did elsewhere to "play over questionable scratches until one gets the feel for the efect of various scratches".

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OK, here's the latest tweaked version. I have also clarified some differences between LPs, 78s and 7 inchers. Sorry to paste the whole thing again, but it needs context.

Records must be graded in bright sunshine or under a bright light. An overhead light will not do.
For clarity, scuffs are marks on the vinyl that will not likely affect the sound because they are often caused by the record sliding in and out of the sleeve, not by the needle. A scratch is usually caused by the needle scratching across the surface, but is often caused from the record being tossed about carelessly. It will cause an audible click or pop and a deep one may cause the needle to jump. If you are unsure, play it!
Spindle trails are marks left on an LP label from sliding the record around on the spindle of the turntable trying to find the hole.

10 MINT Absolutely perfect in every way. No flaws at all. Not one. Nobody has even looked at this record funny. Could be worth 100% or more of the book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

9 NEAR MINT Record and/or labels have only a total of 1 or 2 slight small scuffs or marks (including fingerprints). No scratches! Vinyl and label are shiny new all over. This record is only a mark or two away from perfect.
Cover is glossy new. There may be an ever-so-slight indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is not affected. Or, there may be 1 or 2 small marks or indentations, but the finish of the cover is not affected. No splits and no indication that a split is starting. No writing or stickers, that is, stickers that were not part of the original package. No cut corners or holes. Could be worth 90 – 100% of the book value, but take market factors into consideration.

8 NEAR MINT MINUS Record and/or label have a total of 3 or 4 slight small scuffs or marks. No scratches! Vinyl and labels are shiny new all over. No other flaws.
Cover is glossy new. There is an ever-so-slight indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is still unaffected. There is a very slight indication that the record has been removed at the corners of the opening but they have not affected the finish of the cover. Alternately (not in addition to), there is 1 mark on the cover--a flaw, or an indentation but it has not removed the finish from the cover. No writing or stickers, no cut corners or holes. Could be worth 75 – 90% of the book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

7 VERY GOOD PLUS Record and/or labels have 5 to 8 (total) slight small scuffs and marks. LP/78 label may have a spindle trail or two. Or the record may have 1-2 small scratches, but they are not deep. Vinyl and label are still shiny, but may have lost just a bit of their luster.
Cover is glossy. There is some indication that a record was inside, but the finish of the cover is still unaffected. There are 1 or 2 corner dings but they have not affected the finish of the cover. Seams are intact. There may also be 1 or 2 flaws or indentations elsewhere on the cover, but again, the finish is unmarred. There is no writing or stickers. On LPs, if the back of the cover is white and glued on (as so many pre-1970s covers are) it has not become discolored. There may be a cut corner or hole punched out but to remain in this condition, that must be in combination only with 1 or 2 of the above flaws. A combination of all will reduce it to the next level. Could be worth 40-60% of book value, but take all market factors into consideration.

6 VERY GOOD Record has a number of scuffs and several scratches, but the record will still play through without skipping--that is, the scratches are not deep. Vinyl still has some shine but a close look at the grooves shows they are wearing, or turning a dull grayish color. LP/78 labels show a number of spindle trails and have begun to wear or discolor although every detail is still fully readable. 7 inch labels (with large hole) show wear at the edge of the hole. There may be writing or a sticker on the label, but it does not obscure the printing or artwork.
Cover shows ring wear, but it has barely begun to affect the finish of the cover. There are corner dings and the seams may have begun to split, but not more than ½ inch. There may be writing or a sticker but it has not seriously obscured the art or printing. White backs have yellowed or browned slightly. Could be worth 20-30% of book value, but thousands of records in this condition regularly sell for a dollar or less.

5 VERY GOOD MINUS Record has many scuffs and scratches, but they are still not deep. There may be very little shine left and a good bit of gray. LP/78 labels have lots of spindle trails and large-hole 7 inch labels are worn at the edge of the hole to the point of discoloration. There may be writing or stickers but information is still mostly readable.
Cover has ring wear but most of the finish is still intact. There are dings and indentations, as well as 1 or 2 seam splits extending up to a total of 2 inches. Stickers or writing still do not overwhelm the cover. White backs are half discolored, half white. Could be worth 5-15% of book value, but thousands of records in this condition regularly sell for a dollar or less.

4 GOOD PLUS Just not quite as bad as good.

3 GOOD There is no gloss to the record and/or it is covered with scuffs and scratches, but it still plays through. Labels are heavily worn or discolored, and may have up to a million spindle trails.
Covers have ring wear, have lost their shine, are dinged up, split, and written on, but are in one piece and nearly fully readable. Worth 25 cents to a dollar unless the record is ultra-rare.


2 FAIR Record looks like it was used for chickens to sharpen their claws. Labels may be unreadable.
Cover is tattered or worn out and may not even be in one piece. Worthless except in extreme cases, and then only a buck or two.

1 POOR Sad and pitiful. Record won’t play and cover is destroyed. Worthless.

Records that appear VG to NM but have a major flaw like a big deep scratch on one side or a water-damaged cover must be graded down to the lowest standard for that flaw. Examples: For the big scratch, you’ll have to play it or note it. If it plays through but pops continuously, generally equal to the volume of the music, it grades Good. If it causes the needle to skip over that spot, it grades Poor, even if the rest of the record is shiny new. If the water damage on the cover causes discoloration of the finish, it grades Good to Very Good, depending on the severity. If the damage makes the paper flake off the cover so part of the artwork is lost or the printing is unreadable, it grades Fair.

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