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Post subject: Matrix Numbers  PostPosted: Apr 18, 2011 - 09:31 AM
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Although a colllector for over 55 years, I have never bothered to find out what matrix numbers mean.

For example amongst my collection of some 350 lp's, I have some fairly rare ones including
a Decca Rolling Stones album from 1964. THe matrix details are as follows:

matrix numbers Side 1 = XARL - 6271 - 6A Side 2 = XARL 6272 - 1

Could someone explain what they mean please ?
 
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Post subject: RE: Matrix Numbers  PostPosted: Apr 18, 2011 - 10:31 AM
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The short answer is they tell you exactly which master was used.

Someone that has studied the Stones could tell you where and when it was pressed, for example. Earlier pressings are usually more desirable, and this is where the detective work of matix numbers comes in.

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Thanks for the info, strange that one side is shown as 1 and the other 6a. There is also another single number after these. One has a 7 and the other a 1.
 
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here is a good page to check things out.
http://www.stonesondecca.com/4A01_LK4605_Rolling_Stones.html
 
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Thanks, I never realiised how complicated these numbers were. I am not a great Stones fan, it was a gift and have only played it once or twice in 40+ years. thanks for your help.
 
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Are these matrix numbers individual to each pressing or are they just a kind of isbn type numbering system?

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steveb wrote:
Are these matrix numbers individual to each pressing or are they just a kind of isbn type numbering system?


Please read the above posts. They identify the Master or Stamper used to press the actual albums. As the stamper wears out, it gets replaced and the Matrix number is changed, so that a first press album can have multiple Matrix numbers. Similar to 1A, 1B etc...

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steveb wrote:
Are these matrix numbers individual to each pressing or are they just a kind of isbn type numbering system?


It all depends on the label. Mercury used the same numbering system for both the 78's and 45's whereas Columbia created a whole new numbering system for 45's, EP's and LP's that is completely different from the 78 numbering system. Alot of the CBS (Columbia, etc.) US issued labels were a part of it but many like Monument, Scotti Brothers, etc. instead used the record number with an "A" or "B" as the matrix number. When Sony bought the CBS catalog they switched to this system and subsequently created records that were different with the "same" matrix number. For example...

Columbia 38-73561 - Mariah Carey - ZSS 73561A "Someday (New 7" Jackswing)" b/w ZSS 73561B "Alone In Love" 1990
Columbia 38-73561 - Mariah Carey - ZSS 73561A "Someday (Album Version)" b/w ZSS 73561B "Alone In Love" 1990

This is based on the printed labels. In the dead wax the first 45 has "-1A" at the end of the matrix number and the second one had "-2A" at the end of the matrix number.

Likewise matrix numbers can appear to make no sense compared to the record numbers as they are either pre-assigned or were allocated to different pressing plants. Generally with 45's the lower number is the A-side but not always. Picture sleeves and "A" side promos will at times contradict this. Likewise sometimes labels used old A sides as B sides for newer singles supposedly creating a "double A" single.

In Australia the preassigning of record numbers at times seems confusing because in the case of, for example movies, they couldn't be released until a certain time after the movie was released. This probably comes into play with matrix numbers also.

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Global Dog, thanks for that post. This is the kind of information I love to read on this board.

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If anyone needs information regarding catalog numbers or matrix numbers, Global Dog Productions is the one stop shop.

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