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Post subject: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Jun 27, 2012 - 05:37 PM
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My oldest record so far; an 1897 one-side 7-inch by George Graham, "Negro Funeral" on
E. Berliner's Gramophone 689. From what I learned, this is actually recorded on some form of hardened rubber.
There's a short crack that wouldn't bother me too much on a shellack 78, but I don't know what will happen if I play this thing.

I'm also a bit concerned about playing this one due to the info I found on the playing speed. One source stated it's 55rpm and a few others say it's 78rpm.
Does anyone know for certain which speed it plays?



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Post subject: RE: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Jun 27, 2012 - 08:09 PM
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I don't know anything about the record except that I think it is incredibly awesome!!!

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Post subject: RE: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Feb 07, 2013 - 11:22 AM
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Why dontcha try to play it at 45 first?
Should sound almost like 55 rpm, if it is that.
 
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Post subject: RE: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Feb 08, 2013 - 08:06 AM
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Berliner did experiment with a variety of materials for his records, but after 1895 he was using shellac. You can treat this like any other shellac record. As for speed, there was a lot of variation in the early days of recording. It wasn't considered as big a deal as it is to us today. In fact, on some records the speed varies a bit from the start of the record to the finish. If you want to be really diligent about finding the correct speed, you could look for the sheet music and find out what key it's in, then adjust the record speed until it matches. A more practical approach is to try different speed adjustments until you find one that makes the record sound right to you.
 
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Post subject: RE: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Feb 08, 2013 - 10:05 AM
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Thanks, Shellacky, for the information. I have tried playing at 45 and 78. Although I can tell there is a vocal
recording, it's almost impossible for me to understand anything. Sound quality is very bad, and I don't believe
that it's all due to playing speed.

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Post subject: RE: 1897 7-inch E. Berliner Gramophone Disc  PostPosted: Apr 04, 2013 - 11:10 AM
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Weren't those Berliner players hand-cranked, versus powered by some wind-up mechanism? That would explain the variance in speed - I guess you had to crank them until the sound was just right.

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