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Post subject: Ebay bait and switch  PostPosted: Sep 04, 2012 - 08:31 AM
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I've been seeing this more and more lately. The add says condition NM and then when you click into the body of the add it says Vg+ to NM. Well which is it??? The thing about it is when something like this happened in the used car industry you where already physically at the dealership with some investment in time to get there. Online its too easy just to navigate away. Why cant people tell it like it is up front!!!!
 
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Post subject: RE: Ebay bait and switch  PostPosted: Sep 04, 2012 - 08:47 AM
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Yeah, stuff like this is happening all the time. I've seen it for a long time, but I think you are right that it is happening A LOT MORE than it used to.

When you get a statement from the credit card company, and they are hyping some new feature, they usually tell consumers that they are doing it for US. It's this way all the time. They are doing something to save us time and money, when the bottom line is they are doing it for some other reason that benefits them the the most.

Politicians are the real deal in this game. BS all the time.

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Post subject: RE: Ebay bait and switch  PostPosted: Sep 04, 2012 - 08:50 AM
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Unless the seller is going to use an established grading system, like Goldmine's (just for example) what does "NM" mean anyway ? When I do sell on ebay, (not records that often) I describe the physical condition and sound condition, I don't use grading.
 
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Post subject: Re: RE: Ebay bait and switch  PostPosted: Sep 04, 2012 - 09:20 AM
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HamYardie wrote:
Unless the seller is going to use an established grading system, like Goldmine's (just for example) what does "NM" mean anyway ?


Even when they do say that they use Goldmine standards, it still means absolutely nothing. One person's "light scratch" is someone else's deep crevice - it's just words, and words are interpretive. Having said that, I use grades when I sell, and I don't bother describing what I mean by each one, or that I grade "conservatively" or any of that - my grading follows the "I know it when I see it" claim that a Supreme Court justice once famously used to describe pornography.
 
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Buying crap online... You take your chances, like gambling... at least in the thrift store you get to look at the lp first. And they're only 50 cents to a dollar. I advertise goldmine grading. Seems to work out well for me. 100% feedback for a long time. If someone is unhappy with my lp they get a refund the same day the record is back in my hand.

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Even if the seller appears to be forthright and honest, always make sure they have a fair and open return policy, just in case. And especially on ebay.

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I don't do that in the title, but I have done that in the description. Partially its because I feel unconfident in my grading. For better or worse- I am also trying to offer a record that the potential buyer can be happy with once they receive it. I would rather be exact. Undergrading cost$ me, but overgrading burns the buyer. - m
 
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Regardless of how a seller describes the record ie. Excellent, near mint or mint, I always ask 3 questions before I bid.
1. Are there any surface marks or scratches?
2. Is there any warping.
3. Is there any gunk, grime eg. dried fluid or food, or grease?
I do this because I have bought records described as VG+ that had all of the above.

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vinowino wrote:
Regardless of how a seller describes the record ie. Excellent, near mint or mint, I always ask 3 questions before I bid.
1. Are there any surface marks or scratches?
2. Is there any warping.
3. Is there any gunk, grime eg. dried fluid or food, or grease?
I do this because I have bought records described as VG+ that had all of the above.


No offense intended, but if I was describing a record as NM in an auction, and someone asked me those questions, I wouldn't even respond.
 
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hrtshpdbox wrote:
vinowino wrote:
Regardless of how a seller describes the record ie. Excellent, near mint or mint, I always ask 3 questions before I bid.
1. Are there any surface marks or scratches?
2. Is there any warping.
3. Is there any gunk, grime eg. dried fluid or food, or grease?
I do this because I have bought records described as VG+ that had all of the above.


No offense intended, but if I was describing a record as NM in an auction, and someone asked me those questions, I wouldn't even respond.


I agree with hrtshpdbox - for a NM title, these questions might be a little insulting. But for VG+ (at the end of vinowino's statement) minor surface marks or very light scratches are totally acceptable for the VG+ grade. So is a very slight warp, as long as it doesn't affect play. Records with gunk, grime or greasy fingerprints are ugly (and unprofessional for a reputable dealer), but they're not damaged and are easily cleaned (unless it's on the label, of course).

From the horse's mouth:
"VG+ records may show some slight signs of wear, including light scuffs or very light scratches that do not affect the listening experience. Slight warps that do not affect the sound are OK. Minor signs of handling are OK, too, such as telltale marks around the center hole, but repeated playing has not misshapen the hole."
(Click to page 2 for VG+: http://www.goldminemag.com/collector-resources/record-grading-101)

When I'm buying, I just assume that VG+ will have at least a couple marks/imperfections - otherwise it would be NM, right? A better question to ask might be about the severity of the damage, or if playback is interrupted in any way (which would drop it to VG to me). Now, if any of these issues were present on a record graded as NM, I would be pissed and probably return it and never buy from that seller again, since they clearly don't know how to grade. But the VG+ grade leaves a lot of open possibilities for a variety of issues, and asking for clarification is different than questioning the seller's grading abilities.

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